TO THE SKEPTIC --- a collection of forum posts (mainly TreasureNet) made during the ill-fated expose of the Examiner that back-fired on the illogical skeptics as the information was too close to the mark. There are also other pieces from various places and dates. The entire seven pages were deleted. Here are a couple for your reading pleasure not business agendas etc. Any pic here is shown for reasons of explanation not commercial gain. This is not a commercial site page, just the best way of showing the old forum posts etc. (Any ambiguities or seeming contradictions not necessarily the work of the author. I have already noted & corrected one.) NB: Mr Vincent is not the maker but a tech support/telemarketer living in the US.. No telemarketer ever gives a real name anyway. It's understood in telemarketing, tech support & sometimes remote delivery. He is a legitimate operator and helps on occasion.
See posts below: THE WRONG FREQUENCIES-
A short lived RC xperimental...not the Examiner T-G!
It appears Carl had an early experimental model that he somehow obtained. It looks very much like someone has attempted to reverse engineeer a very early unit with disastrous consequences. If you understood the skeptic mentality you would see they are not correct in their assertions. Just the eBay feedback 200/200 (no retractions) for the Examiner alone (no purchases etc) is enough to prove that. See www.rangertell.com eBay is not subject to shenanigans. Their credentials are in a Swiss bank like Paypal, its partner. RT has sold more than 1700 to date. The only negativity is from undesirables that haven't seen one.
These pics from a person not connected to Rangertell are clearer. The calculator is still though an older one no longer employed and the unit many years old.
shear - no such word
amount of information - honesty then and no reason to claim otherwise
horribly arranged and presented in a visually painful way - in the eyes of Carl Moreland who immediately confesses he is not writing an unbiased report but a sniping fusillade. There is a Feedback form on site for such issues.
the writing style is often incomprehensible. Customers have complimented Rangertell on the readability of the product. If what Ranger writes is hard to follow I suggest you use Large Text in windows menu.
significant presence of the manufacturer on Internet forums - you go on to say he uses too many pen-names which you disrespectfully term aliases. yet you claim his presence is significant. I suppose the most prolific poster on TreasureNet from 2002-04 being Ranger and Tell, he would most assuredly deserve the label 'significant' . Carl doesn't appear to have learned anything despite the many examples of finds and thoughts and obviously many other sketches and such.
nonsense- Carl cannot use these devices (proven by Rangertell who sent him a basic unit and maintained by among others an ex- NASA engineer) so he is not qualified to say. Carl's statements fit the description 'nonsense' rather well wouldn't you say?. The skeptics are too fond of claiming basic science is not in agreement with long-range locating.
The Rangertell Examiner is a so-called long-range locator that supposedly can locate gold (specifically) and other targets of interest in general. The Examiner is one of a few models1 produced by "Rangertell" in Australia, and often sold directly on eBay. The current Examiner (called the "TG" or "Target-Garvin" model) sells for $750-$800, depending on the exchange rate. This particular unit was purchased directly from Rangertell, and not via eBay.
gold specifically? Gold,precious metals, gemstones etc
Targette-Garvin (there is a difference)
It was not purchased by the person that wrote the report, Carl. This is ambiguous. It was supplied by someone who couldn't use it.
Fig. 2 is a top view that shows the calculator, which is a Karce KC-153. Karce is based in China, and makes dirt cheap calculators and electronic organizers. I could not find this particular model for sale (probably discontinued), but similar scientific models sell for $5 or so. The calculator is mounted in a slip case, which is attached to the black box. It easily slides out of the slip case, revealing the view shown here:
Karce makes calculators, don't know about dirt-cheap and they sell in lots of 1000 minimum. Anyway , the comparitive electronic components in a standard metal detector would probably cost 2 or 3 dollars per detector. The statement is silly.
Equally irrelevant are the 'ethics' references.
The Win2PDF was an oversight , a one-off since corrected.The disclaimer is ambiguous since it was thought by the person who converted the doc to be referring to the sale of the PDF program not use, not to mention the message may have appeared at the bottom of the second blank page. Even though there are countless PDF converters like this one for free download on the net we leave the bootlegging to the skeptics. The Pat.Pending claim was never made as reported.. It was mentioned in passing that the unit was pending a patent, that was all. The identity of the maker is wrong. G.J.B .is the sole manufacturer/ owner etc. There are many agents who may have once worked for R-T. The aliases and such are mere fabrications used to cover up the habit skeptics like Sam (not Carl yet we hope) have on newsgroups and such. It is in fact highly unethical to make such claims as well as those re 'bogus dowsing wands'. Boot's on the other foot. Sorry.
We are also interested in Carl's contest though latest 'up-front' charges are a surprise and need clarification.We were asking for detection testing from two miles but Carl is silent.
NB: The info re the sinewave and frequency is completely incorrect. No wonder it wouldn't work.On the topic of frequency I noted that the resonant frequencies table Carl posts on his site is out and will not work an LRL. Some or all are not the correct ones. Why? It's as if he doesn't want people to use them. Email me for further proof. An analogy: 567.85 for Gold should be 567.82 or the LRL will not respond.
The glue smears are not like that at all in any of our units. That was a one-off experimental result. It's obvious from the professional point soldering work that the maker GB would not ruin it with slaps of glue. I do suspect some other material has been introduced.
The diode and resistance does not cancel out the resonance circuit. It works the other way with fields and signal-lines.. There is physical proof that signal-lines exist at www.Rangertell.com/signalline.htm If anyone requires singular proof just send a short description of a scenario e.g. gold watch and Examiner at five feet and I will send you signal-line pix of same. You are quite welcome to have them examined by a photo lab for tampering etc. You could even send me a metal object (gold-plated?) and I will prove it to you returning the trinket etc and sending you the pix.
Need it be said that no confession has been made by Rangertell and the abusive nature of the skeptic who says this is a nutter's revenge for being countered with facts by the LRL manufacturers. The dictionary definition of a skeptic is 'a habitual doubter'. This is ample testimony to the malady these addicted personalities have. Their wills have ceased to function normally and they must have another shot or kick in the pants to steady their weakly structured defiance.It needn't matter that what they say is tripe.They desperately need to say it!!
The tuning knob is a sensitivity PLUS a ground-balancing control. There is no inconsistency between descriptions.
The report-writer hasn't mentioned the fact that the Examiner is about $599, and only $499 each for more than one, making it approx a quarter of the price of other long range locators. Yet none of these offer a depth,distance, weight and shape determination function. None of these offer the element-specific resonant frequencies that will avoid mineralisation and other materials. This is because only the Examiner uses e.g. the gold 'kernel' frequency in Hertz. And none give an unconditional 14-day trial with money-back guarantee if not satisfied. We can afford to offer this since there aren't any refunds to speak of. Imagine the postage 15,000 miles to US and Europe/Asia if it wasn't accepted by all! The only refunds have been due to a batch problem involving a component, nothing to do with the Examiner per se.
The figure is now 327 , not 200 units sold, which adds up to about 1000 happy users worldwide.
I ( for owner GBrooker) offered to show Carl the inside of the Examiner with his pics and as you could see I did, well before his messy pictures. It was of course in jest since Carl was expressly denied permission by R-T. It would lead people who knew nothing about LRLs to imagine all kinds of chicanery was employed to create a do-nothing product. If it did nothing then 200 customers would have railed years ago. The 100 percent acceptance means credit needs to be given where it is due. Carl and his likes must be laughed at and felt sorry for because their bodies are not normally conductive as they cannot even dowse. This has been witnessed. They are thus also jealous and/or working for rivals. There are ways to allow anyone but it would require a personal hands-on tuition and measurement set of sessions until their rare body frequencies were determined. If Carl and others are/were prepared to attend these there would be no problem.
Posts from two weeks ago.
The first pic is not from that forum.
Before this, let me post two emails. I thought I'd clear up a few things re this LRL from the horse's mouth. Locator.
Email To Ranger
Q. Can I use your website address to direct people to those posts and use the IP setup we had last time.
A. By all means.
Q. Is the Examiner that's been dissected still in production?
A. No, only ten or so were made. They were no worse than the Examiners of the time but were essentially discontinued because the design changed after that. So from 270 (all told) or so you are looking at about 3% give or take of our units , which is not statistically on the board, and so could we call them truly representative? No. The price of the Examiners has almost doubled since then which tells you something. Today's are different and work on different parameters.They worked very well though as do all our products. I wouldn't place too much store on what's said on the net. In essence, they haven't got a clue and with some it's almost like a medical problem.Anyone can tell you in five minutes of using an Examiner that it works. In the rare event there is no response there is always an identifiable reason and replacement is organized or tuning done etc. No complaints yet, which is encouraging.
Also the wrong instructions were sent out with that particular model.The frequencies were wrong.
Ranger www.Rangertell.com BV0204
EXPERIMENT: Take your Examiner or LRL and set it to the frequency of your local radio or TV station. Walk between the radio or TV receiver and the direction of the aerial, usually on a hill in your district. Doing this without knowing where it is will be a good blind test. You may find there is a carrier aerial on another hill as well as the main one, thus giving you another signal-line. The antenna will swing as you cross the signal-line. The electromagnetic signal from the radio or TV transmitter forms a signal-line in the same way one is formed between your LRL and the target. You can sweep the LRL as per usual (the antenna will not turn by itself) but walking between the two points is superior. RT
This is the diagram from the photo Carl took of the experimental Examiner. He did not allow the photos because he claims they were copyright despite there being no copyright on them ie no written indication. Did he perhaps not see the 'c' in the circle on the Rangertell Examiner and the obvious breach publishing the above in photo form represented? A colored drawing above) I hope will suffice just to keep Carl from imagining he is Rangertell again as is obvious from ebay. On ebay he offered the same unit for sale taking off the Examiner in a defamatory manner and even asking for more than the price listed. He even used a hill picture we had , only his was dome-shaped. This was unspeakably uncalled for. But we still believe his problem lies with the remanence of his metal detectors and so like Sam who is unorthodox of hand, there is a reason.
It is apparent from the exploded pic showing the handle construction that there is no real glue presence to speak of.
Photos when available.
Some more pics from R-T illustrating construction modifications..
Battery power model superceded
Antenna once poly-coil
Circuit board Plan view
Battery power superceded by coil system
Just a few changes from the hundreds made to the original design. What is shown in the report is not representative.
Oops.I think Carl is a. upset ; b. underestimating the gravity of his infringements. Search for Rangertell on ebay and you'll see what I mean?? Poll material someone? I am finding it harder and harder to acknowledge that his $10,000 test would not be a trick. I think I can see why now nobody takes it up.
Re the Schematic.
Carl's pictures were taken in the wrong light, to exaggerate the glue marks. I assume it is the glue but it even looks like a smear has been added...of something like face cream.The glue may have crystallized. Even if this were happening it would not be seen by anyone since all units are glued together making the seam stronger than the box itself. As well the screws are directly connected to the antenna which means that if they were loosened or the box somehow opened with a saw the unit would collapse and so not work. Doctored photos or simply a sensible end to the smear campaign? ..I mean the glue from the wrong angle. Note that in the photo of the control box with exploded handle there is no real glue presence seen. It is an unfortunate angle he had chosen with the two control-box halves, the little glue that there was reflecting the light in an exaggerated manner.
MORE CHANGES AND COMPONENTS TO TEST PHYSICS, ABSORBED INTO THE FINAL EXAMINER
Re Frequency Stabilization Signal Focus Cone
Changes are either accepted and built into the Examiner or shelved for further development. The report neglects hundreds of these small but important changes in the evolution of the product.
Amplifier MFD with Input
Supra processing rod assembly
Carl mistakenly claims that the above schematic does nothing. Why then does he allow the following survey meter on his site?
A look at the schematic there will tell you that it similar to the Examiner's and of course works. It's actually a lot simpler yet Carl says these units sell for up to $7000USD. Has he ever considered Research and Development time re these products? Note the suggestion in the right-hand box. It talks about using a DC oscillator. So what is the calculator's function in all this? It is in fact a DC oscillator that produces a steady, mathematically modified sin wave frequency signal to be translated by the Tesla coil and circuit in the control-box.
There is no standard configuration in all this electronics. Our values for components form a unique pin-code (like on your bank card) if you like which cannot be imitated because it's taken years to develop. There may be semblant forms but ours has passed the test ...user satisfaction. (Joe the unhappy user was a complete joke since he received a faulty one as we noted on it's return.) If you can't conceive of a faulty unit due to postal treatment if not rough treatment then I'm sorry, you cannot be real. The other was a setup of some kind taken to a lab where dowsing would be looked on as alternative energy form and dismissed. The guy would want his job and neither have the time nor experience to deal with such an invention.Why has it taken 20 years for the forum posters to come to no final conclusion?? The poll recently held was split 17/17. Half thought LRLs would detect more than 100 feet, the other half did not. Minus aliases that the skeptics use (not the LRL backers) and the fact that some thought LRLs would detect to below 100 feet and you have a technical win to the LRL users.
The problem Carl has then must be the power source.He doesn't comprehend the amplification of electromagnetic fields as illustrated in the above schematic works by substituting the body for electrodes in one sense and instead chooses to believe it doesn't function. This is because he cannot even dowse so can only go by what he has read. Poor Carl. He does though feel that the Patents Office is wrong in allowing patents for LRLs since he believes they are only dowsing rods.(see patents pages). If he disagrees with the experts, where is he coming from? Credibility? Hardly.
The componentry under the perforated board is not shown for some reason. More selective pixology.
No logo can be seen on the outside as is the case with today's Examiners.
Haven't you ever seen an antenna installer
as he uses a signal locator to determine the position of the transmitter? The
Examiner works the same way. A simple circuit within the Examiner
uses the body to establish the signal-line to the transmitter, in this
case the target. Surely you know this. It is simple electromagnetic wave
propagation, basic knowledge.
See anything anybody? All I can see is an
aerial that obviously works because even a look on ebay will Ranger you at
least 20 are happy there. I would then read the beautiful Testimonials
and the User Finds etc and see that
everyone there appeared happy. On this forum I could find a few happy
comments in the last week. On the other forums too.
Brad Pitt was known as the satanic Joe Black in the movie. This is
quite possibly what our other fiend..sorry friend is saying to us.
What's in there Carl?
Next time you get a cryptic message use your brain cells,
not your ideomotor
unique aerial physics...
...not a magic dowsing stick...
...Tesla-based coil system ..
All that was advertised was true. Though the camera lied the import is that it works. It doesn't look like that honestly. Is that you on your licence photo? Is it ever?...the import is that it works.
I will offer you or anyone a free Goldscrew if a method of proving 200 happy customers can be suggested without infringement of privacy of any kind. I can paste a list right now of more than 100 with their emails and names almost completely crossed out. I was playing around the other night. You wouldn't know who they were or where but....it's our policy never to give out any customer information...of any kind. This will never change.
I'm not the maker and the calculator was only glued in some early models.
There is an air-gap now between it and the control box. This allows subtle
repositioning as a last resort if a shift occurs, the main reason for signal
Here is a site that Rangers you how to make your own Tesla coil. It's not the same as ours of course. That's a trade secret.
The resonant frequency info is good.
Why is Tesla in the background? Where is this technology? What did he invent? Just about everything. Remember these are the first patents ever of these machines.
These are patents. Add to these Radio, fluorescent light, X-rays etc, radio control etc. and you have the 'Father of the 2oth Century' as he is becoming known.
Will somebody go to voyforums and tell that insolent remailer fool that
A. Rangertell is not fleeing from justice. It is business decorum to remain discreet because of scammers like him peddling for some other manufacturer. Equally since when does a co-developer represent a company in the flurry of aliases and insults that plague this present context if the idea is not nurtured ?
B. Why doesn't he post to this forum instead of those face cream container pics on their own. No, this would terminally hole his argument. What does he represent, a race of bug-eyed creatures whose visual IQ is superior? In this case they wouldn't have a clue anyway and would say "Paul, do you know that resonating two coils does produce a detectable change etc. There was a man called Tesla..."
Further proof SS Watcher etc is getting desparate over there with the few hopeless fireflies that flutter near his idiot candle in the sky. It looks furtive alright!
"Most of what escapes scrutiny at the forum is generally known in the real world as downright cheek." --Whitmore
Carl, you know nothing whatsover about this form of electronics. I don't
think you are qualified to comment on circuits you haven't seen in action. We
are not talking about normal resonance circuits.
We are dealing with a unique never-seen-before resonant circuit. This is the
first corollary of electronic
The Lectra Search appears to be a voltage divided idea, the complete opposite of the Examiner.
Remember we are talking about virgin Tesla coils here that don't conform to electronics textbook explanation until you know what it is you have.
The handle rod does not make contact with the hand. Correct. Complete proof it's not dowsing as you understand it. You need to comprehend that the electromagnetic fields and charges as illustrated in this post much earlier are what occurs due to the circuit configuration. The resonance becomes part of the circuit when you factor in the target and the coils plus the variable controls. If the resistance is not there then the sensitivity, NOT the resonance is altered. It's like a person pushing a swing. It will build up to a point (WITH THE OHMAGE or resistance) until is reaches equilibrium.
The wires going nowhere concept is tired and completely false. There is no connection required because it's a Tesla transformer concept. Carl, I thought you had more imagination. Each wire as I said is there for a reason , nothing resembling an E-scope or Lectra-Search. The windings are precise are are the lengths. There is no wire there that's for show. Why? Every Examiner is glued and thus unopenable. Why stuff them with useless phonies. For you? That Examiner was procured by you at random recall? The fact it was discontinued only proves that you have opened last year's fish and chips and held your nose! Not that it wasn't a fine unit. Some with calculator have different configurations as well. Whereas you didn't specifically claim the Examiner was like the others you inferred there were do-nothing components as in the others. No cigar.
TESLA TESLA TESLA TESLA. That is the basis. You haven't even mentioned the basis.
I would have said something like.
"Ranger claims 200 people are happy with the units. Inside is a Tesla coil system with unusual departures and unorthodox arrangement of components. I don't think he would have had any success giving 14 days trial if it didn't work. Unless a full explanation is given re the placement of the components and what they do there is no real answer we can arrive at. "
Where is the transmitter antenna from the calculator? Do you perhaps think I have a doodling problem ? That is intrinsic. The circuit you've drawn lacks the essential stage, number 1, the transmitting. You have an egg ok. Where is the hen? It's not a claim to evolution either. It's a simple fact.
Honestly Carl, don't show that to anyone because the first thing they will perceive is that without it being built as per the maker's instructions they cannot possibly determine it's efficacy. The maker expressly forbids you.
A poster replied:
I think the reason that Carl cant comprehend the lrl/mfd concept is because he has no imagination, if it isnt written in a tech manual, he cant relate to it. The proof should be based on weather or not a certain unit can or has found treasure, if it works for then thats the best that any user/buyer could ask for.
So what's intellectual property and how much is that worth? Ten dollars? That
sounds about what you'd pay in net fees while you attempt to look inside that
which has been attested to in the manner you're doing it. It cost a lot more
than $5 when we bought it. Plus why do you suppose a unique oscillator cicuit
would not exist in either a cheap or expensive calculator. It fit the frequency
requirements. Inventors don't just go to the dime store and buy a cheap
calculator you know. Hundreds of calculators have been bought and tried. It's
also one of the reasons the price is within reach. You're dealing with an
invention here, not a scam.
Doesn't the fact it's been discontinued mean anything? You aren't exactly educating people on the pitfalls of buying an LRL ..not least wise knocking one that has drawn no clamor of disapproval except from you and that warlord fella who looks like Randi...!!
So come on Carl . Open up that baby. Point to each component and say 'Didn't do it for me.' Since when did you represent 4 billion potential users? Give it one star out of five. Claim you have subjected it to all the tests amounting to a benchtest on a real bench with a lump of 18k gold that has become so remanent from your 50 metal detectors that it is not even a 4k. You need 24k BTW or it won't work. Since you still haven't told me whether you can use LRLs at all of any description do you expect me to believe you're not just another Randi-ism?
You know I had a dream once of a full-page ad in a ritzy magazine headed" What you can do with a calculator". Now I have a better idea. You Carl in full color at the back of a mine-dump number-crunching, a satisfied look on your face. I could do it with that $10,000 you'll forgo once we get it together.
But enough rhetoric. Back to Round 3. The Examiner Is A Flunkie or Is This The Real Thing? Your move.
I want to see what's inside it myself. Just hope it works for you before you open it , because if you don't tell us it doesn't (oops?) we'll have to repair it for you. oh boy!!
So confident am I Carl that the Examiner
is the best value in long-range locating that I am egging you on to open
Which is silly because it's a signal diode!!
The sinwave frequencies that emanate from the calculator and are amplified by the coil in the Examiner are extremely minute and cannot be detected using conventional apparatus. That's why photos of signal-lines are required. The frequencies are tested by counter-proofing and testing which at no stage disproves their authenticity. If any failed the repeatability test and there was no reason that could be determined then the premise would fail. It does not.
There were many others during the 'look inside'
It has been noted that a customer (Grizzley from Utah) who received an Examiner with the calculator depositioned in transit was sent another which has been lost or delayed inexplicably in the post. A third is being sent his way. Let's hope they don't send by boat this time as I suspect has occurred with the second.
The spurious claim that a customer has not written two explanatory letters is further evidence of illicit tampering with the truth. All they need do is write to the customer himself . The two false letters written by them were not followed by two false letters conveyed by IBID2000. The customer wrote both on being requested to explain the state of play by RT. All they need do is send the customer a private message on the TN forum. I believe the customer lives in a small town with only two postal officers so if he thinks the mail has been in the same bag that is the likely scenario. This is extraneous though since there is no doubt the skeptics are bogus and their agenda is not worth countering. It only plays into their hands so they can defame and slander again. Asking the customer is a legitimate way the skeptics will not follow up. Get it from the horse's mouth. This though would of course expose them as the liars those who follow the forum know and those who do not can easily miss. That misinformation and scallywagging is the rogues' competing intention. ...............................................................................................................................................
From unnamed source
The following week it becomes obvious that these jesters are just competitors lying and cheating their way to connive the odd simpleton that may not read carefully enough and observe the dates of the postings. This time they seize on the signal booster, which has received no criticism resembling that contained in their forged letters which appeared on a site no longer available. See assumptions from similar sources here. http://www.hotboards.com/plus/plus.mirage?who=shipwrecks&id= Mike is critical and unbiased. He does not pander to anyone so his comments are trustworthy. He did not receive the booster until after the tirade against it began on google forum. Clear case of defamation as are all the works of JBlack, Sam Scafferi, Carl Moreland . The others have only been inveigled by these competitors of ill forum repute.Though they use different remailers on google they are held to be the same collection of desperados against LRLs by those who read the forums.
I will tell you if the Examiner you have is the Examiner we know and thus a
good representative. However I'm sure you understand that to post information
pertaining to design that has been protected by civilian patent is illegal and
could lead to reverse engineering. This could lead to the substitution of
lookalikes on the market and defeat the purpose you are apparently striving to
achieve ( I won't say the destruction of alternatives to standard detectors).
Not to mention that to post such information without the manufacturer's consent
amounts to desertion of principle of the highest order. I say this particularly
in the context of instrumentation designed to search for and identify gold and
other precious metals that in some cases is held to be in a technically grey
area though the responsibility is on the shoulders squarely of the user. Also
defeating your intention is the possibility that prices will rise to counter the
defamatory labelling of such a device by the technically challenged who expect
pc boards in storey form, not a frugal combination of a few components that
through testing and laborious expedition have been seen as the 'pin-code' of an
So I neither give my consent nor encourage the publication of any claim that the Examiner's circuitry is public property. No brainchild has ever been of this type. Even if you could build similar , the windings and values would not correspond with the untappable structure of the unit in question. These have been so arrived at that it is just not possible. The placement of the components is such that it cannot be duplicated.
As I recall that particular model was NOT representative of the Examiner by Rangertell though it worked to the same quality levels as the others. The latest , the T-G is almost twice the price and the best. You have the standard Examiner, not the one that has sold this year. Also there were instructions errors because the configurations were changing so rapidly. The one pictured was the main character I'm afraid in this. My nose is not growing long here. It just so happened that this occurred and..with that model!! This form of detector development is far from easy.
Need I say that , as is iterated on the site, many configurations have been tried with the Examiner. I would estimate at least half a dozen. This does not include slightly different forms. In this case the number could be in the dozens. The configuration in the Examiner picture, with the cradle was not representative. None were since it is a dynamic process.
Two hundred users have been happy with our units. One couldn't hope for a better result. There have been no complaints save for the few faulty units. Perhaps you should send me an email first and I will advise you whether what you have is
a. a real Examiner
b. a representative model.
c. NB: a working Examiner (according to whom?)
If you intend to defy my gentlemanly request that you do not treat the intellectual property of the Christian manufacturer in the way you are threatening, I would solemnly suggest you wait for a set of basics that have not been hitherto seen on this forum re locators. These will explode myths re dowsing and bring to light ideas not before diagrammatically explained. Then keep the picture above as all there is here until there has been more than no complaint about it. Otherwise you will see before you a minimal array that will lead the uninformed observer to imagine that big is beautiful...which anyone who works with fields and combinations knows is an unintelligent concept. It works. Please leave it at that.
I know it doesn't work for you because the Goldscrew we sent you didn't. Everyone who has used the Goldscrew said it worked, except you. We send people Goldscrews to see if they will be able to use the Examiner. I know I'm not wrong in suspecting you will say it does not work. The truth is it does not work for you. I didn't mind your article above. I just hope that you are surprised by the fact it does work and happy like everyone else. The record though implies that you cannot use it because you could not use the Goldscrew. And that is the test we have devised and employ in cases where the user may need closer attention.
Prove me wrong. Tell me you have finally found a working Long Range Locator. If not I suspect that the dowser who found a particular site frequency to be a giveaway (more later perhaps) must surely be close to the truth. Hint: Placebo proof.
PS: You said the other day you thought it was worth $50. Now you say it appears well worth $800. What is your net security like Carl? I thought this earlier comment unlike your usual style.
'A locator' infers some other? It might to a Martian. What's your ISP doing Carl?
Fine Carl, if you can use LRLs that work generally. The problem is that I
have yet to hear that you have. Enlighten me if you can.
The top techs at Minelab (U.S.) looked at the Examiner and were considerably impressed. They gathered in the carpark and apparently couldn't let go of it when a user took it to show them. These men were the best in the metal detector field anywhere.
The line begins at the proper instructions and a tuning assist. Even I needed the maker to tune my Rodette when I first discovered the units. I was as lost as lost could be without that little turn of the screwdriver. It was like a key that let me into the Garden of Detection. I followed a mullock heap from hundreds of feet away and never looked back.
I remember wanting that locator so much I offered to buy then and there like my life depended on it. Boy was I relieved when the maker said. "Here, play with this." That was some years ago. It cost me $25 and was a basic Rodette predecessor. Since then I've built and co-developed hundreds of types and discovered dozens of new functions and tried everything. Ranger has an idea, and I help it along and build on it. It's a combined effort. All that time tuning and the proper instructions have been the bottom-line. You need to make sure your unit is working well though before you do anything. Let us know if you can't get a response. Where are you in the States? There may be a user nearby that can help you.
If you haven't got the tuning right you won't be at square one. Have you detected anything yet? Any swing? Remember it's a hair at a time literally. The tuning works better the less of a touch-turn is applied.
Ranger said that one you have used a superceded coil basis.
Ranger and Tell are two people and have always been two people. Ranger was Tell's pen-name before it became Ranger. Only one person has written for Rangertell representing the thoughts of two people viz Ranger and Tell.
Ranger is not a Vincent. He doesn't write as Ranger. Never has, he's the inventor.
There is no problem knowing who Ranger and Tell are. Never has been. Only a couple of skeptics Sam JBlack etc and Carl claimed LRLs including the Examiner are mentally driven. The others have gone along for the ride.
It is completely and irrevocably true that the Examiner has been accepted almost 100 per cent.
I can write gold on a piece of paper or use a golden object to slyly trick my hand to find gold too. That is the trap for young players. It means you're not tuned. It means you don't have the frequencies working singularly and don't have the complete perspective. It's not your fault. Just last night I developed a cute LRL that I thought was going to be a winner. I showed it to Ranger and as we were talking I noticed that the resonance in my room had told me a lie, for the minute I negated it, it failed to work. Yet in my room it worked perfectly. It occurred to me again how important knowing what you're doing is with LRLs. The battery in the calculator was affecting the coil to create the perfect deception. It was tracking to a battery pack, that's how we knew. I confess though until that I actually thought I was onto something new. Another night I called Ranger around to see the amazing paper and Ranger locating experience that was unfolding before me. I would write gold and silver and lo and behold the rod would turn. The room was resonating so sensitively I was too delicately balanced. So you see it happens and you need to investigate it. It wouldn't surprise me that you have gone down the wrong resonance path and that's all. Need I say that we examine dowsing to make sure it isn't a trick of the mind that's affecting our units? This must be the understatement of the year. We always mention your ideas Sam and make totally sure you are not right in your belief. But we always keep the skeptics statements in mind as we work , to scientifically disprove them. Not that we wouldn't have but you do have a part to play in locating. You are keeping the bastards honest as they say. We knew before you though since the backgrounds of spooks and mentalism is something that we steered away from, ever since day one.
It isn't mentalism or subconscious cueing or fantasy entertainment and has never been. Otherwise we wouldn't have anything new to offer and it would be as you say... a ripoff!
Nowadays we have a body stabilisation circuit that maintains the body frequency at a stable level. But the calculator is not a mental cue or a dowsing assist. It produces an amplifiable signal that is filtered and induced by the control box circuit to turn the unit into a specifiable compass, according to the specific frequency entered in it. It is modified by key commands to enable the many functions available with the T-G. If you turn it off and tap the remanence off it will not swing. It will appear to if your hand is not a steady one and you have an auto-dowsing habit. Looking at the tip of the antenna will cure this.
Maybe I don't face the critics enough. Have a look at what I think of your
summary and hopefully you can make a wallpaper or something out of it so that
you remember the nitty-gritty...
That model Examiner didn't work right and has been superceded....
I didn't say it didn't work right. I said it had been superceded, discontinued..old model. Would you look at a T-Model Ford and say that the brakes, not being disk meant that Ford was a naughty boy today?
The wrong instructions were included with that unit.....
No doubt about it. They were and amendments followed.
Unit was damaged in shipment.....
Looks ok to me. Are you sure you're reading me? Once again your incoherent logic escapes the reader.
Hair tuning is required.....
It always is. This is not a one-off damage control either. Hair or a thou tuning is one of the principles of RT products. Always has been.
Defective parts in that particular Examiner....
You're pushing something uphill now, vertically. How would I know without testing it again?
Conventional instrumentation can't measure the induction waves.....
The day it is possible is still a future reality. There are instruments but the best you can readily obtain is the photographic method for signal-lines. The best is still the logical sequence of cause and effect. It is set and it finds, blind.
Oh, and let's not forget the CLASSIC excuse all you dealers use... "That unit was no doubt tampered with before Carl tested it."
That can't possibly be. I didn't say anything of the kind. Any, all or none of the above may have occurred. All I reported was the truth and commented that it would need to be representative of last year's model.
If we listened to you JBlack we would still be riding horses and carts. Maybe
they said the Earth was round once and people were executed for maintaining it.
You are still maintaining it is flat. What books do you read? I bet you don't even believe. I figure you're atheist by inclination. You don't have to answer that question.
....It's not your fault that what you find in LRLs is condemned before you
try it because you think it's impossible? Radios, televisions, mobiles bouncing
signals around the world and you can't see a device in all this melee being able
to detect a difference in charge and thus expose a target that is giving off
more than the matter around it?
It is your fault that you create a false picture of what's inside it but don't provide a test result using a negative user compared with a positive user. Ranges, depths, materials etc. would all be incorporated. Then instead of thinking that because a wire here is soldered wrong or there is black goo on the left of the box it's a scam, we would all be happier. We're talking about how efficiently these units find gold and other materials Carl. Not that they are just dowsing rods and so , since you believe dowsing cannot be proven it is a fantasy.
If you are going to open a unit why don't you proffer a chart with ranges etc achieved by an unbiased positive user? And conversely by you...I mean a negative user.
If I was an electronics engineer I would suspect for a time that they didn't work. But so help me I would offer proof in the form of statistics obtained by someone who could use them.
What's your head oscillating at Carl, or is that just how a skeptic signals he's happy to see one? No seriously..in Hz??
There someone way down here you can get to oversee this?
Yes, I've already told you this, a year or so ago, when I offered you my $10,000 challenge and you declined.
This post was twice deletd by Sam Scaffferi /JBlack who somehow has administrative rights. Complete proof that is not a forum but a skeptic tank like the others around the place.
No introductions. Let's keep the temperature of the forum below simmering to see whether it's possible. You've been referring to someone else but ..enough said. I found this trolling the net.
Pls keep my appearance to the one post. Vic
[i](Sorry, Vincent, but I got a complaint and had to alter your post.)[/i] ---JBlack
Let's try that again without the loose interpretation of forum rules Sam. The name was Vic. I know it's a common error. Anyway I found this trolling the net.
"Comment from: Sam Scafferi
I was out early in the afternoon (in my truck), scouting out a route that I will ride later in the month, and met several of your group stopped at the town of Clutier, IA. I must say several of them looked like they'd been down "40 miles of bad gravel road". As a fellow biker, I know that gravel roads and skinny-tired road bikes don't mix.
I had a nice chat with them, and gave them a few
directions on the shortest and best route into Mtown.
After I got home (Marshalltown), I jumped on the bike and rode North out of town to see if I could run across others of the group riding into town. I met up with a small group of you near the town of Green Mountain (about 7 miles outside of Mtown). It was really great to meet several of the bikeandbuild group, and to ride a few miles into Marshalltown with a few of you. I promised them a short route into Mtown, with only one small hill and no traffic lights all the way to their destination (the Y). Thanks a lot for letting "an old guy" ride along with you for a few miles. It was fun.
Thanks too for the T-shirt, it will be a nice addition to my collection.
Hope you all have a very nice trip across the USA..... Enjoy and come back again.
July 03, 2004 @ 13:43 "
Below you can see just a few of the many prototypes and models that were built and tested before the Examiner T-G
We tired scientists at stampotech have decided to put you out of your misery Sam Black. Your problem has been known to us for some time so we decided to investigate just what may have been blocking your locating ability and causing you to claim so vehemently that long range locators like the Examiner don't work world without end. Please accept this tiny token of our solemn belief that your experience with LRLs has a simple answer.
Here it is:
Hooray for Sam Black hooray for Sam Black :D Yes, he's getting closer to the gold as we speak.. :D
In fact we're so adamant you will be pleased with this offering that Ranger is going to offer you a free trial of the Rangertell Signal Booster for 14 days. Carl has been swamped by his metal detectors which more than likely have braked his body aerial and led to the same null response phenomena. Maybe he will get the opportunity too, the same way he was given a Goldscrew to try. Up to the guys.
(Footnote: The forum posts will not centre as the editing cannot be transferred. I apologise for this. The names had also been replaced for sake of propriety. If you want to read more of the deleted posts let me know). Anon
Some facts have merged that explain many things... Thanks once more to the Super.
Check out www.Rangertell.com/booster.htm in case you were wondering about the attitudes shown about the place. Read the entire page. One day someone hits paydirt in the pantomime.
I guess all though is said at http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alttreasurehuntinglrl4dummies/
Real-life is at times funnier than comedy!! Hahahaha! - left-handed deadrods!!